UPDATED:
I have Evangelical friends in USA. I felt their shock when I told them I have become Lutheran.
What I know horrified them was the thought I have become antinomian. These friends of mine seeing Lutherans in their midst and how they behave, believe that Lutherans are antinomians.
To them, they are "anything goes" Christians. Well of course, anything will go. For if you have been taught that God has ALREADY forgiven you before you were born, before you even believe and before even the Sacraments got applied to you, why won't anything go? Why won't anything go if you are forgiven even before you could repent and even believe? What sin is there that would make you uneasy when that sin has already been forgiven even before you commit it? Nothing.
UOJ does not produce trust, or Biblical faith. Rather it produces assent similar to what the Devil has, an agreement. Notice how UOJers malign faith. Sometimes, I sense their real hatred for the concept.
Since UOJ does not produce faith and since it is to them believing already what is there, it does not bring a change in the one who has "faith". So by Biblical teaching, the faith they speak of does not justify and since there is no justification and there is no consequent sanctification. Hence antinomianism.
If there are American Lutherans who are bothered by the antinomianism in their camp, they should look at the tree, and examine its fruit.
UPDATE:
Let me categorically say that lest you think antinomianism is my MAJOR objection to UOJ, then you are absolutely wrong about me. My MAJOR objection to UOJ is simple - it is CONTRARY to the Scripture and the Confessions. Antinomianism is just one of the fruits of a MAJOR error. For as can be expected false doctrine leads to false behavior.
Monday, February 25, 2013
Monday, February 18, 2013
Jack's weird definition of debate
Dr. Jack Kilcrease complains (or so thinks) that Rev. Rydecki does not want to debate him. Now how did Jack Fallacious come up with that conclusion? Well folks, it is.because Pr. Paul does not post comments in his blog to answer his fallacious claims. How weird is that definition of non-debate?
There must be something wrong in his comprehension if he did not see some of the points Rydecki enumerated in Faith Alone Justifies.
Jack made the same claims that I do not debate him directly. But why do you think that? Well I stopped posting my rebuttals in his blog because he does not publish them. Other times I am too busy to take bad arguments seriously. Answer not a fool according to his folly, so the Scripture says in Proverbs 26:4.
I got a life outside the Internet. I know a year or so ago, I encountered LC-MS UOJ defenders at Steadfast Waltherians. As a result of that I got banned from posting. Do not make a mistake we do not debate.
So what do people like me or Rev. Rydecki do? We publish our rebuttals in our own blogs. Apparently for Jack, this is not called debate?
You might say it is not a live debate but we are debating you Jack. In as much as we have been posting rebuttals in our blogs, this is as much debate as there is one in the Internet world. There is a time to speak and so sometimes I do answer a fool according to his folly Proverbs 26:5.
Jack, I know you are reading this blog, and you know well I do not moderate my blog as a general rule. I only step in when I see profanity in the post. Please do not be ridiculous to claim we do not debate you because we do not post comments in your blog, that is another fallacy which you manufacture. The posts we have in our blogs are rebuttals to UOJ and your defense of it.
There must be something wrong in his comprehension if he did not see some of the points Rydecki enumerated in Faith Alone Justifies.
Jack made the same claims that I do not debate him directly. But why do you think that? Well I stopped posting my rebuttals in his blog because he does not publish them. Other times I am too busy to take bad arguments seriously. Answer not a fool according to his folly, so the Scripture says in Proverbs 26:4.
I got a life outside the Internet. I know a year or so ago, I encountered LC-MS UOJ defenders at Steadfast Waltherians. As a result of that I got banned from posting. Do not make a mistake we do not debate.
So what do people like me or Rev. Rydecki do? We publish our rebuttals in our own blogs. Apparently for Jack, this is not called debate?
You might say it is not a live debate but we are debating you Jack. In as much as we have been posting rebuttals in our blogs, this is as much debate as there is one in the Internet world. There is a time to speak and so sometimes I do answer a fool according to his folly Proverbs 26:5.
Jack, I know you are reading this blog, and you know well I do not moderate my blog as a general rule. I only step in when I see profanity in the post. Please do not be ridiculous to claim we do not debate you because we do not post comments in your blog, that is another fallacy which you manufacture. The posts we have in our blogs are rebuttals to UOJ and your defense of it.
Friday, February 15, 2013
Americans singing a Filipino folk song
Just to take a break from the fight, here is something cross cultural.
It is a song about a field butterfly. They sang it really good, they gave me goose bumps.
I am amazed, they pronounced the words so well. They sang it like Filipinos do.
Well done!
Saturday, February 09, 2013
The fallacy of C F W Walther and his disciple Jack "The Strawman" Kilcrease
Universal Objective Justification (UOJ) started with a fallacy and so it still produces more fallacies even today. JBFA people discussing UOJ errors with a UOJ adherent need to first step back and give the UOJ adherent a course on Critical Thinking 101. When you point to a UOJ a fallacy, the UOJer treats it like water off a duck's back, it just does not hit them like normal people would.
In fact if you examine the posts and comments here and you look at how a UOJers interact with us, you will soon discover UOJers do not have a capacity to evaluate a fallacy.
For a clue on logical fallacies you can find a good read here.
In fact if you examine the posts and comments here and you look at how a UOJers interact with us, you will soon discover UOJers do not have a capacity to evaluate a fallacy.
For a clue on logical fallacies you can find a good read here.
A few days ago, I responded to a post by found at Intrepid
Lutherans found here.
There I was responding to a comment that the BoC Writers may
have fallen into error in their own writings. In the election controversy
ignited by C. F. W. Walther and based on his on account, his opponents were
quoting to him the understanding of the BoC Lutheran “Fathers”. Here is what he
said…
The principal means by which our
opponents endeavor to support their doctrine, consists in continually quoting
passages from the private writings of the fathers of our Church, published
subsequent to the _Formula of Concord_. But whenever a controversy arises concerning
the question, whether a doctrine is Lutheran, we must not ask: "What does
this or that 'father' of the Lutheran Church teach in his private
writings?" for he also may have fallen into error;
Indeed they may have, but the issue is not to state what in
general is possible, but to demonstrate clearly in actuality where they erred
against Scripture on a particular subject. The fallacy of Walther above is what
can be called “If you do not believe me you are a heretic” fallacy. This is
another force of argumentum ad baculum.
This is a form of bullying, psychological bullying.
What else was Walther saying – if the Fathers disagreed with
me, it is they that is in error not me. The test is not to put the Fathers
first on the stand, rather the test is first put Walther on the stand.
Walther was an arrogant churchman, and so is his modern fan
– Dr. Jack “Fallacious” Kilcrease, to which I now turn.
In his post found here,
he titled it To Reject Objective
Justification is to Reject Election.
As usual, Jack’s post is overflowing with fallacy, it is a
lot of fun dissecting it and using it when I give a course in Critical
Thinking. He provides me plenty of material for a seminar I would like to give
and I would entitle as – How to argue
like a bad Theologian. I do not have
time that is why this took a few days to write but I will give you a few
samples. These few examples are warning enough for you not to be misled by
false reasonings:
1.
The first fallacy is found by observing the
title of the post. Remember I just spoke about argumentum ad baculum? The title
sets the reader up to swallow a fallacy called argumentum ad consequentiam, the
negative form.
2.
The false testimony “He [me, LPC] does not
believe in it [election]” is so pregnant with fallacy, in fact a very abysmal
attempt to put me – an anti-UOJer in a bad light. He was able to conclude this because of the
quote I just made? This is the usual
tertium non datur fallacy, the denial of a 3rd possibility fallacy.
Jack “The Strawman” Kilcrease wants you to believe there is a false
dilemma. It is just like saying - if you do not believe in the Democratic
Party’s policies, then you must be a Republican. Huh? Are there not
independents in USA? That is the form of reasoning Dr. Strawman wants you to
follow.
3.
He then says “Believers are only bound
to writings that serve as a public confessions of faith and not
necessarily to the private writings of a particular theologian”.
This is the non sequitur fallacy. I do not subscribe to the private writings of
particular theologians as if they were a confession also. This is jumping the shark fallacy. Jack is the one who misunderstands when one
uses the quotation of the Fathers and so Walther misunderstood too in quickly
dismissing them. Rather the writings were being used to support an argument, it
is not because the opponents of Walther subscribe to them as a confession. This
is Jack’s favorite fallacy – The Strawman fallacy. He makes arguments on my
behalf or asserts them as if I was doing them and then tares them down.
Voila! The point is disposed (so he
thinks).
4.
He then says, “In other words, if in response to Christ's death God does
not speak forth a universal word of reconciliation, but simply pronounces
reconciliation on those who believe, we are left with two options”,
he is again setting up the believer to accept false dichotomy. Let me
illustrate, they say if you reject OJ you must believe in Limited Atonement. Do
Brett Meyer, Dr. Jackson and Pr. Rydecki and Pr. Bickel believe in Limited Atonement(LA)? I was a
Calvinist! I know what Limited Atonement is when I see one. Jack has no clue as
to the Scriptural arguments being used by Calvinists to support LA.
5.
Lastly Jack shows his own self-negation of his
title post which is a thesis he believes in. He says, “In a word: rejection of OJ also compromises the Lutheran
doctrine of election (something I do not think Paul Rydecki appreciates, since
he still claims to believe in election!)”. Dear folks, here
he provides a counter-example to his own thesis, by his admission! We know Rev.
Rydecki rejects OJ yet by Jack’s very own admission, he states Pr. Paul still
believes in election. A fish is caught in the mouth. Jack negated the thesis
title of his post. So Jack illustrates how fallacious he himself is.
I see he has lots of registered followers. I pity those folk
who admire him.They do not know they are following a "blind man".
Monday, January 21, 2013
Faith alone justifies
I am very much impressed with the scholarship shown by Rev. Paul Rydecki.
In case you have not realised yet, Pr. Rydecki started a blog of his own and he entitled his blog
Faith Alone Justifies. Click on the link to be directed there.
I have read some of Pr. Paul's expositions and how he handles the Biblical text. He is brutally honest and that what makes an exegete competent in his work. A quick survey of what Lutheran pastors and theologians are doing in the Anglo world will reveal that majority of them are into Historic Theology followed by few who are into Systematic Theology. You can count with your fingers the Lutheran scholars and pastors that are into Exegetical Theology and that is a shame.
These disciplines have their place but a church body that have no focus in Exegetical Theology becomes weak and will not be able to jump in to resolving controversies.
This is the reason why UOJ gained further ground in the Western Lutheran churches; the Lutherans there have thought that all exegetical issues are now moot and void, since C. F. W. Walther has spoken. So what is happening today? Well we have what might be called theology by proxy. What I mean is that they do not do the hard work of going deeper in interpreting the Biblical text, what they do is just find out what so called authority said on a topic and by default they adopt the pontifications of that so called "accepted authority". It is a type of Romanism in a small scale. So the Lutherans pick their own little pope like Walther and find out what he said and then settle the question based on that.
This is so far from what Luther did. Indeed scholars I read say that one of the many contributions of Luther was the use of the grammatico-historical method of finding out what the text of Scriptures say. In other words, putting the text into its context and drawing out the meaning of the text based on that.
This is one of the reasons that the Synodic Lutheran is thrown to and fro by any wind of doctrine that comes along, Eph 4:14. They have done their theology by proxy rather than doing it on their own. You do not need to be a Greek expert to handle the Scripture, you just need a faithful translation.
Going back to Pr. Rydecki's work, I find it a joy to read his expositions and translations. This is my opinion: between the work of Dr. Jack Kilcrease (who admits that UOJ practices equivocation) and Rev. Paul Rydecki, the latter exhibits sound and trustworthy scholarship in my book. So I would go to Rev. Rydecki's insights all the time and pray God keeps him trustworthy.
Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Will the real oddball please stand up?
I, along with Dr. Jackson, the
Ichabod, have been called an oddball by a Lutheran Internet blogger. The
actual quote by Martin
Yee can be found here,
at Beggars All
Reformation run by a good Internet acquaintance, James
Swan.
No one calls you an oddball unless the person is opposed to
what you stand for and since I am known as an anti-UOJ, I can only assume that the
gentleman who called me by that label must be pro-UOJ. I am not deluded in thinking I am well liked by people, I am not. Now, I have been to his blog
and I could not detect if he has his own articulation of UOJ since most of his
posts are bits and pieces of items normally from various authors, i.e., theologians or
scholars, and since he recommended to James Swan to read Marquart on UOJ, I can
safely assume Yee accepts the authority of the UOJ masters.
So let me consider some of the creative ways UOJers are
using Scripture to promote the idea that all have already been justified, declared righteous and
hence, forgiven automatically at the Cross.
The first attempt was in Romans 4:25. In this post I have
outline why their favorite verse does not teach their theory but rather that if
an individual swallows such interpretation, he/she must swallow other
inconsistencies against Scripture. Indeed, this is where the Synodic Lutherans
of USA are quite peculiar to the rest of the Lutheran world. In fact, they are
peculiar also to the rest of the Protestant world. Only the subscribers to UOJ take Romans 4:25
to mean that by that verse the whole world even those yet to be born are
already justified.
The second one is Colossians 2:14 found in this blog post by
a member of Steadfast Lutherans [sic] (so they call themselves) found here. Let me repeat what was said and let me put my
emphasis on a bad interpretation of Col 2:14
This is to say, there would be nothing real for faith to
receive and cling to. When we talk about the objective nature of justification,
the terms used relate to Christ’s work as it satisfies the legal requirements
of the Law with the whole of mankind in view. That is, the record of debt
against the world, with all its legal demands, has been blotted out (Col 2:14), the
sins of the world absolved, and this pardon is now freely offered to all in the
Word and Sacraments. Some will
receive through God given faith this gift to their joy, while others will sadly
continue to reject this gift to their own damnation (Mark 16:16)
I have reacted to this interpretation and you will find my
counter discussion of this found in my posts, here
and here.
I have continued to reflect on this passage over the past months and in this
occasion I shall add more argument why Col 2:14 is being misused in that quote.
According to Pierce, by virtue of Col 2:14, all legal
demands against the world are gone; the Law has no more teeth to bite anyone. Something
fishy is going on in here because the word “world” is being used without
qualification. Is this true, that the
world has already been absolved of the Law’s demands? If so, why do we baptize
anyone? Scripture says that sin is transgression against the Law. If the Law
has no more claims on anyone, even perhaps a Christian, why do we confess our
sins and why do we have the promise that if we confess them God, cleanses and
forgives (1 John 1:9)?
If we read the whole context of Col 2:14, i.e, verses 8-14
inclusive we see that St. Paul was referring to the Christian, it is only to
the Christian where the demands of the Law have been thwarted because as v.12
says he/she has been baptized, meaning the sinner has been incorporated into
Christ by that Means of Grace. St. Paul was addressing the Christian living in
Colossia. The thwarting of the Law’s demands happens only to the believer and
not to the whole world without qualification.
This is sometimes where I find how UOJers are like
Calvinists in the reverse order. When the Bible uses pronouns, like “us”, we”
and they are a referent to the Christian, the UOJer interprets it to mean the
whole human race. On the other hand when the pronouns “us”, “we” as a generic
referent to the human race, the Calvinists confine it to believers. It is
only through the JBFA Lutheran that I find there is consistency and respect for
the language of Scripture.
Scripture interprets Scripture,
in fact according to St. Paul which I have stated in the said posts, it is the
Christian who is not under the Law, because he is now under grace - Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for
ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Who is now under grace? It is the believer, the sinner who
trusts in Christ. It is the one united with Christ who is freed from the claims
of the Law because he/she has died with Christ in baptism. The Law has no more
claim on dead people yet only those in whom the Means of Grace have been
applied are the ones declared dead by St. Paul in Romans 6.
So here once again, we see a peculiar way of taking
Scripture found in Col 2:14.
Please do not get me started on Ephesians 2:15. Luckily no one has yet attempted to say the
same thing in the Ephesian passages.
So I say, who is the real oddball here? The UOJ Lutheran or
the JBFA Lutheran?
Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Confessional blah blah
Whenever I encounter a Lutheran identifying himself as "confessional", I go catatonic.
What does that mean? It does not mean the person believes in JBFA, it usually means the person believes the opposite; it usually means the person is a Universal Objective Justification adherent, i.e. a Huberite.
Take the case for example of "Lutheran" bloggers in the Internet. You will often read about them going on and on about the ancient traditions of the church discussing finer points of detail and so on. In fact, such people careless about whether or not UOJ is true or false. Often they think this is a minor point of disagreement. So they go to war on the liturgy, they go to war on lots of peripheral issues, they go fighting about what is minor -- always considering that the major issue is done deal already. They consider the doctrine of justification as something that can be set aside, because they think they got this down pat right.
You see when you become a UOJer everything becomes boring, you need something to get excited about.
So what is happening in Lutheranism is something I have seen before in Charismanic Evangelicalism. When I was in it, the "in" word was "Reformed" so and so. That prefixing of identifying one's self with such a label is a way of getting traction, a way of getting an audience, you might say. It is a way of saying - look man, I am cool.
So when I read folk in Lutherdom saying "I am confessional" etc etc blah blah, often the cynical side of me comes out, I do a lot of LOLing. Because my friend, what some really mean by that is that they are really "synodical", meaning they are a follower of their synod and their synod's extra Biblical pronouncements.
The word "confessional" has been polluted. What matters if you ask me is not what the label one tacks on to oneself, what matters is what really the person believes and teaches and confesses. The label worths nothing.
When you think justification is no longer an issue, my theory is that you will fight for something else.
LPC
What does that mean? It does not mean the person believes in JBFA, it usually means the person believes the opposite; it usually means the person is a Universal Objective Justification adherent, i.e. a Huberite.
Take the case for example of "Lutheran" bloggers in the Internet. You will often read about them going on and on about the ancient traditions of the church discussing finer points of detail and so on. In fact, such people careless about whether or not UOJ is true or false. Often they think this is a minor point of disagreement. So they go to war on the liturgy, they go to war on lots of peripheral issues, they go fighting about what is minor -- always considering that the major issue is done deal already. They consider the doctrine of justification as something that can be set aside, because they think they got this down pat right.
You see when you become a UOJer everything becomes boring, you need something to get excited about.
So what is happening in Lutheranism is something I have seen before in Charismanic Evangelicalism. When I was in it, the "in" word was "Reformed" so and so. That prefixing of identifying one's self with such a label is a way of getting traction, a way of getting an audience, you might say. It is a way of saying - look man, I am cool.
So when I read folk in Lutherdom saying "I am confessional" etc etc blah blah, often the cynical side of me comes out, I do a lot of LOLing. Because my friend, what some really mean by that is that they are really "synodical", meaning they are a follower of their synod and their synod's extra Biblical pronouncements.
The word "confessional" has been polluted. What matters if you ask me is not what the label one tacks on to oneself, what matters is what really the person believes and teaches and confesses. The label worths nothing.
When you think justification is no longer an issue, my theory is that you will fight for something else.
LPC
Sunday, December 16, 2012
Mourning with you
UPDATED:
About 80% of the readers of this blog come from U. S. A.
Dear friends, my heart goes out to you. Like you I am also in pains I feel the hurt with what just happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
My prayers go out to those who have been directly affected by this tragedy.
This is Christmas, it is in general a sweet time for children. This is a terrible tragedy for those parents who lost their kids in this senseless act.
UPDATED:
TURN OFF THE NEWS.......
"Morgan Freeman's" brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
________
Apparently Freeman denies ever saying this in his Facebook. I wish he had said it because there is more truth to the above critique than we care to admit. We should give credit to whoever hacked into his account - he might as well, come out and own up to it because there is some brilliant insight in that piece.
LPC
About 80% of the readers of this blog come from U. S. A.
Dear friends, my heart goes out to you. Like you I am also in pains I feel the hurt with what just happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
My prayers go out to those who have been directly affected by this tragedy.
This is Christmas, it is in general a sweet time for children. This is a terrible tragedy for those parents who lost their kids in this senseless act.
UPDATED:
TURN OFF THE NEWS.......
"Morgan Freeman's" brilliant take on what happened yesterday :
"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
________
Apparently Freeman denies ever saying this in his Facebook. I wish he had said it because there is more truth to the above critique than we care to admit. We should give credit to whoever hacked into his account - he might as well, come out and own up to it because there is some brilliant insight in that piece.
LPC
Monday, November 26, 2012
You can end your career by just one paragraph
I am loyal to my alma mater. She is good to me. She gave me
free education and also provides me with paid work from time to time.
A refreshing aspect is the culture of my faculty where the
only description I have is that of egalitarianism. It does not matter what your
title happens to be, you stand on the merits of your ideas and that is where
you are judged. Even those more senior
than you treat you as an equal. They do
not treat you like a kid. I remember one
particular seminar when our dean spoke. As typical there is Q & A at the
end of a public lecture. I was impressed of how the dean was allowed to suffer
due to the cogency of the questions thrown at him, even by junior
lecturers. No one is sacred. No one is
treated like a god or a guru.
In university world rankings, my university used to be among
the top 50 but lately she has dropped to the 60s group. Of all the universities
here, she has the most controversial history.
This year we are commemorating the 10th year
anniversary of the shootings that happened in 2002. That year a disturbed Chinese
student open fired in his economics class. From memory, he killed two of his
classmates. A couple of professors went in to subdue him. That is probably the
most significant incident but there is another one.
Around that year too, the Vice-Chancellor of my university
was forced to resign. The VC is like your CEO, while the Chancellor is like
your President. The first is like the Prime Minister while the second is like
your Head of State having more a ceremonial role. Why did he have to resign?
The story went that our ex-VC was guilty of plagiarizing
several times. The first couple of times
were when he was not even our VC yet and they happened 20 years before coming
to our university! One might say that happened in the past it should not count.
Not so. The third incident was discovered by one of our professors while
reading the VC’s book on the connection of drinking with alcoholism. This book was also published many years
before he stepped into our university. The ex-VC authored his book but he
copied some sections word for word even punctuation from another book. It was
so appalling that the professor who discovered this labeled the act as an act
of serial plagiarism. In the end none of the Council members (Board of
Trustees) needless to say, he was asked to resign.
In academia, you can
really end your career by one act of sloppy or lazy referencing. It does not
seem to be the case in the world of Internet theology blogging. It seems church people and theologians have a
very poor standard compared to academia.
Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Hunnius proves Steadfast Waltherians are Huberites
UOJers, all of them, teach that there is a justification that has occurred 2000 years ago to the whole human race. Since this occurred before you were born, then this occurred outside of faith. They call this objective justification.
What is the favorite Scripture they use to promote this?
It is Romans 4:25. They believe right here in this verse, St. Paul is teaching a justification that occurred without any reference to faith
Here is an example.
1.) From again Steadfast Waltherian group found here, Jim Pierce writing:
3.) Again from a post just recently by a Steadfast Waltherian blogger found here. To prove the existence of an objective justification that occurred outside of faith, the blogging pastor says this (apparently taken from Francis Pieper):
It is evident just from the sampling on how Romans 4:25 is being used that without a doubt, UOJers in general and the Steadfast Waltherians in particular believe in a justification that occurred without reference to faith.
What does Aegidius Hunnius say?
Hunnius :
Thesis 6
Hence Paul, when he expressly discusses justification in Romans 3 and 4, does not know of a justification apart from faith, and especially as Galatians 2 plainly says, "Man is not justified except by faith in Jesus Christ."
Did you read that? According to Hunnius, in Romans 3 and 4, St. Paul DOES NOT KNOW OF A JUSTIFICATION APART FROM FAITH.
Since UOJers are quoting Romans 4:25 to prove this, and obviously verse 25 is part of Romans 4, these people I quoted above KNOW of a justification without faith. Here Hunnius, a well known old orthodox Lutheran assails them or they boldly contradict him.
This is where American Synodic Lutherans are peculiar to the rest of the Protestant world. It is only they who take Romans 4:25 that way. They are also peculiar amongst the rest of the Lutheran world! According to Bruce Church if we count the Lutherans who believe this stuff, there are only 2.5 Million of them who teach this stuff, out of some 45 Million (or so) Lutherans in the world.
The Hunnius quote I provided proves that the Steadfast Waltherians are Huberites or at least shares the conviction of Huber on this point...and that is not a good thing. If I were you I won't get involve with that. False teaching is a dangerous thing and we ought to be fearful of it. I know I am.
What is the favorite Scripture they use to promote this?
It is Romans 4:25. They believe right here in this verse, St. Paul is teaching a justification that occurred without any reference to faith
Here is an example.
1.) From again Steadfast Waltherian group found here, Jim Pierce writing:
In wrapping up my answer, we can talk about the entire human race, or the world, being justified—just as the Scriptures do (Ro 4:25)—as the action God took in response to Jesus’ resurrection from the dead where the Law is concerned2.) From my interaction with one adherent of UOJ:
ME: "Joe it is different because Brett and I do not believe in the starting point that there is justification that has happened FOR all men without faith or without regard to faith. That is difference. The difference is that we do not posit or assert a universal justification."
Joe: You are speaking against Romans 4:25.
3.) Again from a post just recently by a Steadfast Waltherian blogger found here. To prove the existence of an objective justification that occurred outside of faith, the blogging pastor says this (apparently taken from Francis Pieper):
Romans 4:25: He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. “To refer to the words: Who was raised again for our justification,” to the so-called subjective justification, which takes place by faith, not only weakens the force of the words, but also violates the context.”3
It is evident just from the sampling on how Romans 4:25 is being used that without a doubt, UOJers in general and the Steadfast Waltherians in particular believe in a justification that occurred without reference to faith.
What does Aegidius Hunnius say?
Hunnius :
Thesis 6
Hence Paul, when he expressly discusses justification in Romans 3 and 4, does not know of a justification apart from faith, and especially as Galatians 2 plainly says, "Man is not justified except by faith in Jesus Christ."
Did you read that? According to Hunnius, in Romans 3 and 4, St. Paul DOES NOT KNOW OF A JUSTIFICATION APART FROM FAITH.
Since UOJers are quoting Romans 4:25 to prove this, and obviously verse 25 is part of Romans 4, these people I quoted above KNOW of a justification without faith. Here Hunnius, a well known old orthodox Lutheran assails them or they boldly contradict him.
This is where American Synodic Lutherans are peculiar to the rest of the Protestant world. It is only they who take Romans 4:25 that way. They are also peculiar amongst the rest of the Lutheran world! According to Bruce Church if we count the Lutherans who believe this stuff, there are only 2.5 Million of them who teach this stuff, out of some 45 Million (or so) Lutherans in the world.
The Hunnius quote I provided proves that the Steadfast Waltherians are Huberites or at least shares the conviction of Huber on this point...and that is not a good thing. If I were you I won't get involve with that. False teaching is a dangerous thing and we ought to be fearful of it. I know I am.
Tuesday, October 09, 2012
Steadfast Huberites and their upside down Justification
This post is dedicated in honor of those Lutheran ministers
who are today suffering for opposing the Huberian false doctrine of Universal
Objective Justification.
Many visitors of this blog are now sick of me posting
against the Huberism of UOJers but I speak for one reason – UOJ is not Biblical
and it is an improper way of speaking about the central doctrine of the
Christian Church. The BoC speaks a lot about speaking. In the BoC one will
encounter the phrase “properly speaking” many times. As for me, I speak against
UOJ because it is an old heresy from Samuel Huber. It is a false way of
speaking about what God does and has done in relation to how a sinner is made
right with God. I got no other agenda and I hold no animus to those I disagree
with.
A few months ago, the Steadfast Waltherians ran a post by
Jim Pierce on their Doctrine of Justification. I say “their doctrine” because I
do not believe it is the Biblical doctrine of justification that they hold. The
article in question is found here.
I won’t go into the fine details but the reader should
notice therein how Biblical concepts have been taken in isolation taking their
cues from a denominational work called the LCMS Christian Cyclopaedia. I liken this behavior to the Jehovah’s
Witnesses expositing Biblical teachings using their New World Translation
Bible.
I will cut to the chase and go down to the bottom summary of
the post, where we read:
In wrapping up my answer, we can talk about the
entire human race, or the world, being justified—just as the Scriptures do (Ro 4:25)—as the action God
took in response to Jesus’ resurrection from the dead where the Law is
concerned, as the following explains. The Law condemns the whole world (saint
and sinner alike) and, because of Christ and what He did, the Law now has no hold on the
whole world, since God receives the sacrifice of His Son which atones for
each and every sin and thereby the requirements of the Law are fully satisfied
by Christ. When we talk about the sins of the world being absolved, or
forgiven, we are talking about a reality that holds for the world in Christ.
That reality is excellent news for everyone, since it means we are not
justified by our own works of the Law, but by God’s grace alone, through faith
alone in Christ Jesus. Indeed, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us
and received by faith alone; thereby we are justified by what we
Lutherans like to describe as the “alien righteousness of Christ” which is
outside us, or not our own.
I got so many things to say but I will home in on the
statements I have highlighted above. These statements are contrary to the Holy
Scripture.
Firstly when Mr. Pierce said, “the Law
now has no hold on the whole world”, what are we to make of this
antinomian thesis? It is a perversion of the Law and bulldozers no less than
two Biblical texts that come to mind…
a.)
Romans 6:14 says 14 For sin
shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under
grace. Who are
those not under the Law? It is not the whole world. The “you” in the verse does
not refer to generic human beings; rather it refers to “you, the (Roman)
Christians who believe in Christ”. They are the ones who are not under the Law
since they have become believers in Christ so they are now under God’s grace.
b.) The other passage is Romans 8:1 There is
therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not
after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
What the
post suggests is that since Jesus Christ died for the whole world, that means
the world is no longer under the Law and thus not under condemnation. This is
not true, why would God send people to perdition? This idea runs contrary to
John 3: 36 He that
believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son
shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Let me resurrect A. Hunnius against
Pierce …
Thesis 7
Outside of faith in Christ and without it, man remains in condemnation, according to John 3, "Whoever does not believe has been judged already." And again, "Whoever does not believe in the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." And Mark 16, "Whoever does not believe will be condemned." If such a one has already been judged, if the wrath of God remains upon him, if he will be condemned, then in what beautiful way has he been justified? In what splendid manner have his sins been remitted unto him? Indeed, where sins have truly been remitted, there all wrath and condemnation are gone(Rom. 8). "Blessed are they whose sins have been remitted" (Psalm 32). Now then, are all men blessed? Even unbelievers? (Muslims?), Reprobate Jews?
Outside of faith in Christ and without it, man remains in condemnation, according to John 3, "Whoever does not believe has been judged already." And again, "Whoever does not believe in the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." And Mark 16, "Whoever does not believe will be condemned." If such a one has already been judged, if the wrath of God remains upon him, if he will be condemned, then in what beautiful way has he been justified? In what splendid manner have his sins been remitted unto him? Indeed, where sins have truly been remitted, there all wrath and condemnation are gone(Rom. 8). "Blessed are they whose sins have been remitted" (Psalm 32). Now then, are all men blessed? Even unbelievers? (Muslims?), Reprobate Jews?
So now we come to the second part, Pierce continued saying… Indeed, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us
and received by faith alone.
Note
now the intent of this statement, this implies the imputation of Christ’s
righteousness has already happened to all and this is now a matter of believing
to receive. Note further that another concept tied up to justification is the
imputation of the righteousness of Christ.
Pierce
and Co are indeed putting confusion to where there should be none, for what is
the point of receiving already what has already been imparted – righteousness
of Christ? To Pierce and his cohorts, this precedes faith and when believed
nothing fresh happens to you, you are simply believing what has always been
there, no new creation is being created.
This is a perversion of the Scriptural teaching on imputation of
righteousness i.e. Justification. For in toto, these people believe that the
imputation of Christ’s righteousness or Justification, happened already first
apart from faith when Christ died and was raised.
Let us see what the Scripture says here, recall Romans 4: 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
Let us see what the Scripture says here, recall Romans 4: 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
Thinking and Bible literate
Christians will not deny that the imputation of righteousness on Abraham
happened not before he believed but at the point of his believing. In fact even
old orthodox Lutherans would oppose Pierce’s understanding. An example
of this is Quenstedt (credits:Ichabod)
Let me again resurrect A. Hunnius against these
Waltherian-Huberites for indeed these UOJ defenders believe in a Justification
that already occurred apart from faith and before faith came to be… What does
Hunnius say regarding this matter?
Thesis 5
...Nevertheless, no one is justified nor does anyone obtain remission of sins from this acquired universal righteousness without the imputation of this acquired righteousness of Christ. But the imputation of righteousness does not take place except through faith.
Thesis 6
Hence Paul, when he expressly discusses justification in Romans 3 and 4, does not know of a justification apart from faith, and especially as Galatians 2 plainly says, "Man is not justified except by faith in Jesus Christ."
...Nevertheless, no one is justified nor does anyone obtain remission of sins from this acquired universal righteousness without the imputation of this acquired righteousness of Christ. But the imputation of righteousness does not take place except through faith.
Thesis 6
Hence Paul, when he expressly discusses justification in Romans 3 and 4, does not know of a justification apart from faith, and especially as Galatians 2 plainly says, "Man is not justified except by faith in Jesus Christ."
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